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'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Is a Victory of Fiction Over the Worst Parts of Fandom
By JAMIE LOVETT - January 9, 2018
X
читать дальшеThe release of Star Wars: The Last Jedi caused a great imbalance in Star Wars fandom. In fact, some fans are so disappointed in the film that they are calling for it to be stricken from canon.
"Canon" is a particularly appropriate term here. Star Wars fandom has reached the point where many fans treat the movies like sacred texts. They study them like disciples of numerology, seeing patterns everywhere. They shave off rough edges to force the story into the mold of the hero's journey or ring theory.
In the time between the release of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, Star Wars made the next step: prophecy. Fans started to believe that they could use the patterns they observed in the past to predict what was to come. They examined the apocryphal expanded universe of old for hints. They even broke down extratextual materials, like posters and standees, searching for signs.
Is it any wonder then so many have recoiled at Rian Johnson's message, which asserts that there are no patterns? There is no prophecy. Star Wars is not a math problem that can be definitively solved. It's art, and art changes and evolves over time.
The best example of this is the gray Jedi theories and the first time Luke sees Rey use the Force. The concept of a gray Jedi comes from the old EU. As pertains to Luke Skywalker, it mixed into the plot of the Dark Empire graphic novels. Luke would pursue true balance in the Force by mastering the light side and the dark side.
That this theory became so pervasive shows how fans have bought into Lucasfilm marketing. The light side/dark side gimmick is big for selling toys. But the Force doesn't work like a video game morality meter, not even the one in Knights of the Old Republic.
Fans too often conflate light side and dark side with good and evil. Nobody talks about the light side of the Force in the original trilogy. There is no balancing light side and dark side. The "light side" is the balance. The dark side is the imbalance. You can't be "too light side" any more than you can be "too perfectly balanced."
This is the idea Luke tries to knock out of Rey's mind during training. She reaches out to the Force and expects to wield great power. Luke shows her otherwise. He reminds Rey -- and fans -- that being a Jedi isn't the same as being a superhero. It's about balance, not fulfilling a power fantasy.
But too many of ideas like this have been codified in the unofficial catechism of Star Wars fandom. Fans feel personally affronted by Johnson cutting through these assumptions because a lot of time and energy has been investing into building them. Consider the reaction to The Last Jedi compared to the reaction to The Force Awakens. Sure, some fans felt The Force Awakens was almost too familiar, but no one called for it to be removed from canon because, despite its flaws, at least it wasn't blaspheming against the established Star Wars orthodoxy.
By tearing down the established doctrine, Johnson has opened up Star Wars to be something more than a science fantasy formula with each new director filling in the pre-established blanks. Creators are now more free to preach their personal Star Wars. There is no more "what Star Wars is," only "what Star Wars is right now."
Fans may be uncomfortable with this, but it's a good thing. The ability to adapt and change and provide a variety of perspectives, interpretations, and points of view, to tell many different kinds of stories, is the sign of a healthy franchise. Consider some of the other pop culture franchises that have been around for decades and how much they've changed over the years.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a major victory to the ability of storytellers to tell the stories they want to tell. Fans should absolutely have the right to love or hate those stories, but their sense of ownership is false. Fans need to learn to walk away, or that they can love some parts of a franchise and not others. It's okay to like some entries in a long-running series and not others. You'd think the prequel trilogy would have taught Star Wars fans that by now.
И еще, уже от режиссера: www.empireonline.com/movies/features/star-wars-...
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Do y'all remember all those years ago before “The Force Awakens” came out when people were convinced that Kylo Ren was actually Luke Skywalker and Adam Driver’s casting was a red herring?
I think about this every time someone tells me that “The Last Jedi” butchered Luke’s character.
И вот еще, замечательно написано: afterlifeserial.tumblr.com/post/172309882500/lu...
March 27, 2018
Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi
Did people who complain about the character of Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi see the same original trilogy I did? Or do they have some idealized version of the movies they’ve put up on an untouchable pedestal?
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Luke in A New Hope: A reluctant, whiny teenager who is finally talked into doing something by Obi Wan Kenobi, a master Jedi and wise old man. It takes his aunt and uncle dying to finally push him over the edge, though. And Obi Wan guides him throughout the rest of the movie and helps Luke become the hero by using the Force to destroy the Death Star.
Luke in Empire Strikes Back: Once Luke gets to Degobah, he’s selfish, closed-minded, and fights Yoda at every turn even though it’s obvious Yoda is wiser and knows what’s best. In a lot of ways, he’s still the reluctant, whiny character from the first movie. Then he fights Darth Vader to save his friends (against the wishes of both Yoda and Obi Wan), and his world is rocked when Darth Vader whups up on him and tells him he’s his father.
Luke in Return of the Jedi: We finally get a resolved Luke. He’s resolved to save his father. He throws away his light saber when he faces the Emporer, realizing that killing isn’t going to save the universe. Only love can do that. And with his bravery, resolve, and pacifism, Darth Vader is changed back to the good side out of love for his son and defeats the Emporer.
Luke in Return of the Jedi is a brave, resolved Jedi warrior. But it takes defeat and a new outlook to make him this way. As we know, people change. Just because someone temporarily overcomes their demons, does this mean they will never revert back to their old ways? Of course not! This is why Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi is a perfect microcosm of his character as a whole, and his brave action at the end is the perfect end to his character.
Luke in the Last Jedi: He’s had the biggest failure and setback in his life. He saw the death and destruction his nephew would bring and in a moment of weakness, lost it. His nephew sees this and turns on Luke, and he turns to the Dark Side. Luke sees his students’ dead bodies. These were people in his care who were slaughtered. If that wouldn’t affect someone, that person would not be human. That person would have no heart or feelings.
So Luke is heart broken and becomes a hermit. Makes perfect sense. Like Han Solo, he reverts back to his old ways. In a lot of ways, he’s the same whiny, reluctant teenager he was in the beginning. It’s completely in character. It’s completely Luke Skywalker. So Rey comes and he acts similar to how young Luke would have acted. It takes a reminder from artoo deetoo of the hero he used to be for him to reluctantly agree to train Rey. And then it’s ultimately a visit from Luke’s old master Yoda that gives Luke the perspective he needs to become the hero once again. Just like his visit to Yoda helped him in Return of the Jedi. By the end of the Last Jedi, Luke’s character has come full circle. His second arc is complete.
Luke defeats Kylo Ren in a similar way to how he defeated the emperor: through pacifism and non-violence. This time, he doesn’t just throw away his weapon. He’s frickin’ not even there! It’s perfect. And his self sacrifice is perfect. It allows the rebels to flee. It complete’s Luke’s character. He goes out on top. He goes out on his terms. He goes out a hero. And no one defeated him. Could you imagine how sucky it would have been if Luke, whether in episode 8 or 9, is killed by Kylo Ren, in a light saber fight or something? That would have been way lame. You can’t defeat Luke, the greatest jedi ever. No, he goes out on his own terms. It’s perfect, just like his arc in the Last Jedi is perfect.
So this is why I believe people who are saying “Last Jedi Luke isn’t Luke” have it completely wrong. He’s totally Luke Skywalker! Watch all the movies again and you’ll see. I love Luke’s depiction in the Last Jedi and I love Mark Hamill’s acting. It helps make the Last Jedi one of the best Star Wars movies.
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читать дальшеThoughts on The Last Jedi: Luke’s Story
There is so much in TLJ that it’s impossible to put it all down in one post. This one focuses specifically on Luke’s Journey through the film and why I love it.
To begin I’ll start by saying one thing that disappointed me in TFA was seeing Han Solo presented as a washed-up version of his old self. While, yes, through non-movie sources we get a bigger picture of what happened to Han after ROTJ, TFA gives us a pretty bleak picture of a man who was a shitty husband and father who is literally in the EXACT SAME PLACE he was in at the start of A New Hope. Having grown up loving Han Solo best of all, to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. But now I’m off topic so I’ll come back to Han Solo at a later date.
Back to Luke.
Luke is NOT where I (or most of the audience I think) expected him to be. I love that. Luke feels like he had actually lived thirty years I didn’t see and I’m not sure how well I know this character anymore. I’ve said before that the Prequels end in Tragedy, the Originals are Bittersweet and the Sequels will be a happy ending. The journey Luke takes in TLJ is also bittersweet, and looking back on the Originals, and Luke’s life, how could Luke’s story be anything but?
That Luke would struggle after ROTJ with his and his father’s legacy was inevitable. One of the first things we as the audience are ever told is that Luke “has too much of his father in him”. Yoda didn’t want to train him because he had too many of Anakin’s traits and Luke fails at Jedi training. (Side note if you didn’t notice: In TLJ when Yoda reminds Luke the importance of teaching Rey about failure, the music in the background is the same music that plays when Yoda lifts the X-Wing from the Swamp in ESB. It’s a great musical cue)
In ROTJ, Yoda tells Luke he is sorry Vader told him he was his father because Luke wasn’t ready for the burden. The burden is something we see has affecting everything Luke did. I’ve put a lot of thought into the dialogue in TLJ and I have a couple thoughts and theories about why Luke failed Ben and what the Luke is really saying.
Luke says a couple of things, that, when put together, show a very personal agenda. When talking about how he failed Ben (“my nephew” – he specifically mentions the family bond. He does not call him a Padawan) he says, “Because I was Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master.” To me, he’s saying that, he failed Ben because he was being a Jedi and not an Uncle. As a Jedi, he looked into the dark mind of Ben Solo and as a Jedi his instinct was to protect those he loved from the dangers that awaited them. For a split second he lost sight of just who was in front of him, as he was so caught up in the visions he had just saw. So much of what Luke says about the Jedi is a reflection on himself. All of his shame and sorrow are as an uncle and brother, not as a Jedi. In a way (Like his father) he feels betrayed by the Jedi order and his years studying and learning only reinforce to him, the negative aspects of the Jedi. By the end of the movie he has come to realize that the Jedi don’t need to end, rather they need to grow beyond their flaws and move to a higher level of understanding. It was stagnation and rigidity the contributed to their downfall. (The conversation with Yoda is all about this point).
Another side note: Can we appreciate that Luke, just like Anakin, brings about his worst fears by trying to stop them from happening?
Another side note: When Luke looked in Ben’s mind, did he see Ben’s thoughts or thoughts Snoke was giving him? I’m still unsure just how much Snoke was in Ben Solo’s mind at that time.
ASN: Thank you Rian Johnson for giving R2 something important to do in this movie. R2 was pretty much abandoned in TFA so it was nice to see him saving the day again in TLJ. Without him, Luke wouldn’t have woken up to what he needed to do.
Luke’s projection onto Crait and his face-off with Kylo Ren is a perfect ending for this character. We see Luke repeatedly struggle between the light and the dark, then ultimately choosing the pacifist route, in ESB when he falls rather then fight or join Vader, In ROTJ when he refuses to fight Vader and later when he throws his lightsabre away in defiance towards the Emperor. On Crait, by not really being there, he can distract the First Order and save the rebellion, but he avoids a direct physical confrontation. He can’t kill Leia’s son but he also doesn’t want Leia’s son to kill him.
Luke knows he can’t save his nephew from the dark side, just like Obi Wan knew that he wasn’t the one who could save Anakin, but through the Force he could see that a new future was forming and by saving Rey as Obi wan saved Luke, he can set the pieces in motion that will move the characters to a final resolution. Thus, dying with peace and purpose.
Читать здесь: comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/08/star-wars-the...
'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Is a Victory of Fiction Over the Worst Parts of Fandom
By JAMIE LOVETT - January 9, 2018
X
читать дальшеThe release of Star Wars: The Last Jedi caused a great imbalance in Star Wars fandom. In fact, some fans are so disappointed in the film that they are calling for it to be stricken from canon.
"Canon" is a particularly appropriate term here. Star Wars fandom has reached the point where many fans treat the movies like sacred texts. They study them like disciples of numerology, seeing patterns everywhere. They shave off rough edges to force the story into the mold of the hero's journey or ring theory.
In the time between the release of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, Star Wars made the next step: prophecy. Fans started to believe that they could use the patterns they observed in the past to predict what was to come. They examined the apocryphal expanded universe of old for hints. They even broke down extratextual materials, like posters and standees, searching for signs.
Is it any wonder then so many have recoiled at Rian Johnson's message, which asserts that there are no patterns? There is no prophecy. Star Wars is not a math problem that can be definitively solved. It's art, and art changes and evolves over time.
The best example of this is the gray Jedi theories and the first time Luke sees Rey use the Force. The concept of a gray Jedi comes from the old EU. As pertains to Luke Skywalker, it mixed into the plot of the Dark Empire graphic novels. Luke would pursue true balance in the Force by mastering the light side and the dark side.
That this theory became so pervasive shows how fans have bought into Lucasfilm marketing. The light side/dark side gimmick is big for selling toys. But the Force doesn't work like a video game morality meter, not even the one in Knights of the Old Republic.
Fans too often conflate light side and dark side with good and evil. Nobody talks about the light side of the Force in the original trilogy. There is no balancing light side and dark side. The "light side" is the balance. The dark side is the imbalance. You can't be "too light side" any more than you can be "too perfectly balanced."
This is the idea Luke tries to knock out of Rey's mind during training. She reaches out to the Force and expects to wield great power. Luke shows her otherwise. He reminds Rey -- and fans -- that being a Jedi isn't the same as being a superhero. It's about balance, not fulfilling a power fantasy.
But too many of ideas like this have been codified in the unofficial catechism of Star Wars fandom. Fans feel personally affronted by Johnson cutting through these assumptions because a lot of time and energy has been investing into building them. Consider the reaction to The Last Jedi compared to the reaction to The Force Awakens. Sure, some fans felt The Force Awakens was almost too familiar, but no one called for it to be removed from canon because, despite its flaws, at least it wasn't blaspheming against the established Star Wars orthodoxy.
By tearing down the established doctrine, Johnson has opened up Star Wars to be something more than a science fantasy formula with each new director filling in the pre-established blanks. Creators are now more free to preach their personal Star Wars. There is no more "what Star Wars is," only "what Star Wars is right now."
Fans may be uncomfortable with this, but it's a good thing. The ability to adapt and change and provide a variety of perspectives, interpretations, and points of view, to tell many different kinds of stories, is the sign of a healthy franchise. Consider some of the other pop culture franchises that have been around for decades and how much they've changed over the years.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a major victory to the ability of storytellers to tell the stories they want to tell. Fans should absolutely have the right to love or hate those stories, but their sense of ownership is false. Fans need to learn to walk away, or that they can love some parts of a franchise and not others. It's okay to like some entries in a long-running series and not others. You'd think the prequel trilogy would have taught Star Wars fans that by now.
И еще, уже от режиссера: www.empireonline.com/movies/features/star-wars-...
И от внимательного, думающего зрителя: bai-xue.tumblr.com/post/169786683082/i-just-rea... (ну господи, есть же нормальные люди!!! спасибо!!!)
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О как!!! (из Тумблера):
pride-and-prejudice-in-space
Do y'all remember all those years ago before “The Force Awakens” came out when people were convinced that Kylo Ren was actually Luke Skywalker and Adam Driver’s casting was a red herring?
I think about this every time someone tells me that “The Last Jedi” butchered Luke’s character.
И вот еще, замечательно написано: afterlifeserial.tumblr.com/post/172309882500/lu...
March 27, 2018
Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi
Did people who complain about the character of Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi see the same original trilogy I did? Or do they have some idealized version of the movies they’ve put up on an untouchable pedestal?
читать дальше
Luke in A New Hope: A reluctant, whiny teenager who is finally talked into doing something by Obi Wan Kenobi, a master Jedi and wise old man. It takes his aunt and uncle dying to finally push him over the edge, though. And Obi Wan guides him throughout the rest of the movie and helps Luke become the hero by using the Force to destroy the Death Star.
Luke in Empire Strikes Back: Once Luke gets to Degobah, he’s selfish, closed-minded, and fights Yoda at every turn even though it’s obvious Yoda is wiser and knows what’s best. In a lot of ways, he’s still the reluctant, whiny character from the first movie. Then he fights Darth Vader to save his friends (against the wishes of both Yoda and Obi Wan), and his world is rocked when Darth Vader whups up on him and tells him he’s his father.
Luke in Return of the Jedi: We finally get a resolved Luke. He’s resolved to save his father. He throws away his light saber when he faces the Emporer, realizing that killing isn’t going to save the universe. Only love can do that. And with his bravery, resolve, and pacifism, Darth Vader is changed back to the good side out of love for his son and defeats the Emporer.
Luke in Return of the Jedi is a brave, resolved Jedi warrior. But it takes defeat and a new outlook to make him this way. As we know, people change. Just because someone temporarily overcomes their demons, does this mean they will never revert back to their old ways? Of course not! This is why Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi is a perfect microcosm of his character as a whole, and his brave action at the end is the perfect end to his character.
Luke in the Last Jedi: He’s had the biggest failure and setback in his life. He saw the death and destruction his nephew would bring and in a moment of weakness, lost it. His nephew sees this and turns on Luke, and he turns to the Dark Side. Luke sees his students’ dead bodies. These were people in his care who were slaughtered. If that wouldn’t affect someone, that person would not be human. That person would have no heart or feelings.
So Luke is heart broken and becomes a hermit. Makes perfect sense. Like Han Solo, he reverts back to his old ways. In a lot of ways, he’s the same whiny, reluctant teenager he was in the beginning. It’s completely in character. It’s completely Luke Skywalker. So Rey comes and he acts similar to how young Luke would have acted. It takes a reminder from artoo deetoo of the hero he used to be for him to reluctantly agree to train Rey. And then it’s ultimately a visit from Luke’s old master Yoda that gives Luke the perspective he needs to become the hero once again. Just like his visit to Yoda helped him in Return of the Jedi. By the end of the Last Jedi, Luke’s character has come full circle. His second arc is complete.
Luke defeats Kylo Ren in a similar way to how he defeated the emperor: through pacifism and non-violence. This time, he doesn’t just throw away his weapon. He’s frickin’ not even there! It’s perfect. And his self sacrifice is perfect. It allows the rebels to flee. It complete’s Luke’s character. He goes out on top. He goes out on his terms. He goes out a hero. And no one defeated him. Could you imagine how sucky it would have been if Luke, whether in episode 8 or 9, is killed by Kylo Ren, in a light saber fight or something? That would have been way lame. You can’t defeat Luke, the greatest jedi ever. No, he goes out on his own terms. It’s perfect, just like his arc in the Last Jedi is perfect.
So this is why I believe people who are saying “Last Jedi Luke isn’t Luke” have it completely wrong. He’s totally Luke Skywalker! Watch all the movies again and you’ll see. I love Luke’s depiction in the Last Jedi and I love Mark Hamill’s acting. It helps make the Last Jedi one of the best Star Wars movies.
Еще одно интересное размышление о Люке: coldmoonviolet.tumblr.com/post/173229590299/tho...
читать дальшеThoughts on The Last Jedi: Luke’s Story
There is so much in TLJ that it’s impossible to put it all down in one post. This one focuses specifically on Luke’s Journey through the film and why I love it.
To begin I’ll start by saying one thing that disappointed me in TFA was seeing Han Solo presented as a washed-up version of his old self. While, yes, through non-movie sources we get a bigger picture of what happened to Han after ROTJ, TFA gives us a pretty bleak picture of a man who was a shitty husband and father who is literally in the EXACT SAME PLACE he was in at the start of A New Hope. Having grown up loving Han Solo best of all, to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. But now I’m off topic so I’ll come back to Han Solo at a later date.
Back to Luke.
Luke is NOT where I (or most of the audience I think) expected him to be. I love that. Luke feels like he had actually lived thirty years I didn’t see and I’m not sure how well I know this character anymore. I’ve said before that the Prequels end in Tragedy, the Originals are Bittersweet and the Sequels will be a happy ending. The journey Luke takes in TLJ is also bittersweet, and looking back on the Originals, and Luke’s life, how could Luke’s story be anything but?
That Luke would struggle after ROTJ with his and his father’s legacy was inevitable. One of the first things we as the audience are ever told is that Luke “has too much of his father in him”. Yoda didn’t want to train him because he had too many of Anakin’s traits and Luke fails at Jedi training. (Side note if you didn’t notice: In TLJ when Yoda reminds Luke the importance of teaching Rey about failure, the music in the background is the same music that plays when Yoda lifts the X-Wing from the Swamp in ESB. It’s a great musical cue)
In ROTJ, Yoda tells Luke he is sorry Vader told him he was his father because Luke wasn’t ready for the burden. The burden is something we see has affecting everything Luke did. I’ve put a lot of thought into the dialogue in TLJ and I have a couple thoughts and theories about why Luke failed Ben and what the Luke is really saying.
Luke says a couple of things, that, when put together, show a very personal agenda. When talking about how he failed Ben (“my nephew” – he specifically mentions the family bond. He does not call him a Padawan) he says, “Because I was Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master.” To me, he’s saying that, he failed Ben because he was being a Jedi and not an Uncle. As a Jedi, he looked into the dark mind of Ben Solo and as a Jedi his instinct was to protect those he loved from the dangers that awaited them. For a split second he lost sight of just who was in front of him, as he was so caught up in the visions he had just saw. So much of what Luke says about the Jedi is a reflection on himself. All of his shame and sorrow are as an uncle and brother, not as a Jedi. In a way (Like his father) he feels betrayed by the Jedi order and his years studying and learning only reinforce to him, the negative aspects of the Jedi. By the end of the movie he has come to realize that the Jedi don’t need to end, rather they need to grow beyond their flaws and move to a higher level of understanding. It was stagnation and rigidity the contributed to their downfall. (The conversation with Yoda is all about this point).
Another side note: Can we appreciate that Luke, just like Anakin, brings about his worst fears by trying to stop them from happening?
Another side note: When Luke looked in Ben’s mind, did he see Ben’s thoughts or thoughts Snoke was giving him? I’m still unsure just how much Snoke was in Ben Solo’s mind at that time.
ASN: Thank you Rian Johnson for giving R2 something important to do in this movie. R2 was pretty much abandoned in TFA so it was nice to see him saving the day again in TLJ. Without him, Luke wouldn’t have woken up to what he needed to do.
Luke’s projection onto Crait and his face-off with Kylo Ren is a perfect ending for this character. We see Luke repeatedly struggle between the light and the dark, then ultimately choosing the pacifist route, in ESB when he falls rather then fight or join Vader, In ROTJ when he refuses to fight Vader and later when he throws his lightsabre away in defiance towards the Emperor. On Crait, by not really being there, he can distract the First Order and save the rebellion, but he avoids a direct physical confrontation. He can’t kill Leia’s son but he also doesn’t want Leia’s son to kill him.
Luke knows he can’t save his nephew from the dark side, just like Obi Wan knew that he wasn’t the one who could save Anakin, but through the Force he could see that a new future was forming and by saving Rey as Obi wan saved Luke, he can set the pieces in motion that will move the characters to a final resolution. Thus, dying with peace and purpose.
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